Let's talk about something different.
While I fully realize there ARE M/s couples that don't play with S&M I'm curious about other people that do. What's your opinion of how you like your aftercare? It always is interesting to me how different everyone can be on this.
While I fully realize there ARE M/s couples that don't play with S&M I'm curious about other people that do. What's your opinion of how you like your aftercare? It always is interesting to me how different everyone can be on this.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 7:42 PMWhen I was owned, I didn't get aftercare.
(Not a complaint, mind you; simply a statement of fact.)
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Re: What about aftercare?
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 9:36 PMPersonally, I love aftercare. I love it because I get to feel just how broken down the barriers, walls, and personal boundries are up close and with a shivering person who feels quite helpless to me at that time. Without those things being there, I feel like the intimacy is much stronger because there is just that much less between me and the person I am loving in that moment. It is a way for me to not only enjoy that sense of closeness, but to feel that "Yes, I really did that to this person and this is how they now feel". It is a very tender moment, but there is a feeling of power that goes right hand in hand with it for me. Without it at least in some form, I would feel like I was missing out. I have recently tried playing without it in a more casual setting due to that person's needs, and I found that it didn't work well for me at all. Having been both with and without it helps me have a sense of what I am missing, and makes it easier to describe why I appreciate having it. I love the feeling of making someone much less able to "say no", while at the same time showing them I am who to turn to when they feel helpless. I like the feeling of being depended on.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Tue, May 6, 2008 - 11:09 PMAftercare is something that is so essential to me, but it is not always so readily available in more casual play. It is at this moment when one feels most vulnerable, most emotionally raw, and it seems that not all Doms/Tops/Sirs/Masters are as interested as Charles is in providing that aftercare, which is a shame in my opinion. When i have been owned in the past, however, it was what solidified the mental bond. i have been referred to as a power bottom, i can take a LOT physically, so pushing my physical boundaries is a bit difficult...not that it cannot be done but that it is not where my full potential lies. However, it was during these aftercare sessions with past owners that the care and attention pushed past my mental boundaries, and my slavenature really blossomed.
To paraphrase what a very perceptive Dom said about me recently, i revel in the submissive role and it is a fool who only uses me for target practice. By providing aftercare within the M/s context (including such things as reestablishment of formal protocols that may have faltered during the stress of play, keeping me on my knees and/or hugging me close, petting my head and talking about what i did that was pleasing during the session) i find that i am much more inspired to serve day-to-day outside of S&M sessions. The strongest bonds are those attached to the mind of the slave, and for me it is during aftercare when such bonds are forged. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 12:50 AMI totally agree with Asadora's opinion. Those very special moments after play, touching and talking about what was done and what was pleasing or wrong during the session I've always found very inspiring - both as a D or now as s. It is both - the session and the aftercare what builds strong emotional relationship between M and s. Without any of these parts bonds are incomplete and weak. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 7:35 AMI disagree that you can't build an M/s bond without play or aftercare, but that's another topic. Just remember that what works for you doesn't work for others.
Madame doesn't give "classic aftercare" but she lets me curl up at her feet and nap if we're at a party or she let's me curl up and stay in space while she does her cleanup rituals in private. And she lets me worship her feet in gratitude.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 8:49 AMGreat topic =]
Aftercare to me is a way to make sure the physical aspect of play does not create emotional issues. For me it can take on different forms. For Master and me it is a time to reconnect in a loving way, with a lot of holding, touching and talking. We do a lot of very restrictive and challenging bondage and many times when i come out of that i require quite a bit of swaddling and comfort as my body processes what it experienced. If the scene was extremely emotional (heavy humiliation or interrogation style play) or if it was something that was difficult for Him to do then i also do a lot of checking in with Him to make sure He’s all good. Sometimes He allows me to Top Him and i try to provide Him with the same kind of care. Whoever is Topping is there to provide the bottom with what they need in that moment. We use it as a time to make sure all is well with ‘us’.
i’ve played with good friends and the aftercare with them is different, still checking in and talking and processing our feelings, but not as intimate as with my Master.
In a casual play setting, with someone i may or may not interact with again, and especially if there is no sex involved in the scene, i am not comfortable with a lot of intimate touching or holding afterwards. If someone were to try to coerce me to accept more than what i was comfortable with then it would be unsettling for me and not productive to ending the scene positively. It’s on both of us to negotiate this up front as much as any other part of the scene.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 6:04 PMI don't have to have aftercare, but it definitely makes me feel much more wanted and appreciated when there is. Even if it just leading me to a spot to rest until clean up is finished and then letting me sit at your feet until I'm capable of serving you again it a very happy thing for me. Feeling the petting across the bruises and welts is always an added bonus, so is hair brushing.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 7, 2008 - 9:00 PMI am fond of aftercare, however it's never been a big thing that Master enjoys. Don't go thinking that's a bad thing--I rather think of it as how he deals with his aftercare--he needs to wander off and chill out. While that's not what I crave, it's what works for him. I do often pull him down to lay with me and cuddle because it does feel good to have caring arms wrapped around me when I'm still buzzing from whatever just occurred but he never stays long. From that point, I'm okay just chilling and enjoying my rapture until it fades.
I don't generally play with other Tops, but the last time I did was a couple years ago when we met a young man that had single tail experience and I wanted to see what that was like. When he was done he did hug me and check in, but really all I wanted my Master who was right there the whole time. I don't need someone else to provide that attention but sort of do expect they'll make sure I'm okay.
I also have to say that I once heard a Dom say he had issues with providing aftercare to bottoms/subs that weren't his because he'd had experience with them bonding with him when he didn't want that to occur. I thought that was strange until a sub friend of mine played with a woman and having had aftercare with her my friend spent months trying to un-bond, for lack of a better word. While this wasn't a Top she was emotionally connected to, the emotion was there from the one scene they'd had and it was a tough issue for my friend.
If I Top someone, which I do on occasion, that isn't my partner and if they are attached, I'd much rather send them off to their partner for the attention and affection they best get from them. I will, of course, make sure that they are doing okay. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 1:10 PMi agree. while aftercare, if needed, should always be provided, it doesn't necessarily have to come from the Top you've just played with. it can come from a group of other floaty subs or from your primary partner should they be present and willing to provide it.
and you know, sometimes just staying in that floaty moment is a good thing. i don't necessarily want to be touched right away when i'm still experiencing sub space. my Master knows me well and can read me so perfectly that He knows what i need always. He also told me that while He too enjoys that time it's not about Him in that moment and He's perfectly fine to let me fly a bit longer if that's what i desire. He always seems to time His touch perfectly with when i need it. you just can't get that from a casual acquaintence. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 12:32 AMI am sorry to add my post here, when I am a lurker and unknown and all. But I wished to add to this.
I want and need aftercare. Do not care much for not getting it and it is a part of my negotiations and the reasons behind it, so they know up front the why's. However, neither play nor aftercare causes me to bond with anyone. I am generally very upfront with that and hope they understand. If during normal days that are not playtime at all, we discuss it, then that is a different matter.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sat, May 10, 2008 - 11:47 AMI love aftercare...
When I was collared, after being in a super grueling scene, and while experiencing the combination of a physical adrenaline rush and being in service to my Master, aftercare was essential. It was what reinforced in my mind that I was not just a slave, or a pain slut, but a human being in a loving relationship with another human being engaging in loving acts. I mean, in every day, relatively clear mind I knew that; but right after a scene when my mind tend to still be coming back, I needed that kind of reinforcement and confirmation that it was an expression of love, that I was loved, and that I would be okay.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:32 AMI find aftercare such an interesting concept, especially in SF. A top/master spends an hour or so totally focused on giving sensation to their supposed slave and THEN has to spend another hour or so comforting her. Spending so much time learning to send your supposed slave into subspace so they can float around and enjoy themselves seems so service related to me. Perhaps that is why I enjoy playing around gay men and women, their play is harsher and more demanding of service than most public het play.
If I do S&M, you can bet they don't spend too much time in subspace. I don't want them floating, I want them screaming and if the screaming sends them into subspace there is always cold water...
I avoid women who bring up aftercare like the plague, not so much because I dislike nurturing but because it is all about them. I love cuddling and even giving aftercare but if that comes up early in the conversation, it is a red flag for me.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 9:51 AMThe more pain the better I always say. Cannot find a good sadist where I live. However, no floatys for me until after the fact. In truth, I would rather be screaming the whole time, preferrably for more than an hour. The after care serves another purpose for me. I happen to like sex way more than most. I use the aftercare to take care of things like that. Since I have an astounding hard time achieving an orgasm, I take that time for that as well. It isnt something they are doing wrong, it is simply my lot in life. When all is said and done, I walk away and have the ability to never look back, unless you decide to play again. However, since all of my friends are vanilla, even though they all know down to a man, what I do, picking up the aftercare does nothing but make me have to sit and defend you and that is something I do not wish to have to do, since I end up defending and explaining myself as well. You are not doing anything wrong and neither am I.
As far as I am concerned and this may blackmark me totally but I believe in extreme honesty. I love what you give. I give myself to you to do this. You love doing it and apparently need it yourselves, or you wouldnt be doing it. What does it hurt, to give a girl something she never gets from anyone but a top, Dom or Master. The kind of trust and respect you receive is never given to the folks in vanilla relationships. So it takes extra time. It only ends up making you look better and earning the trust and respect they handed you to begin with unearned.
Besides, some of us are simply hardcore and have lives and jobs that do not instill a pampered moment, a good word, a kind gesture. Ha,,just try liking sex with the pain and then have to find someone who can keep up. Doesnt happen often. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sun, May 11, 2008 - 11:26 AMMichael's post really resonated with me. When I was owned, I was there to provide service. Part of that service was to be my owner's bottom and fuckhole. Any enjoyment I might have received was collateral, but not his intent. (As it happened, every aspect of it was beyond enjoyable for me--a satisfaction beyond words.) Beyond connecting at the beginning of a scene, I may or may not have gotten any warmup. Our scenes were invariably intense, emotionally, sexually, and in terms of doling out pain. Afterward, he was spent and wanted to isolate. I was grateful to be able to provide all of that to him. My aftercare, as it were, was knowing that I had pleased him.
Don't get me wrong--I adore cuddling and sharing warms-and-fuzzies after a scene, but it's far from mandatory in my book.
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Re: What about aftercare?
Wed, May 14, 2008 - 10:45 PM"The more pain the better I always say. Cannot find a good sadist where I live. However, no floatys for me until after the fact. In truth, I would rather be screaming the whole time, preferrably for more than an hour."
Yeah, that's totally hot. In the most recent play I had, even after attempting to negotiate carefully, it was explained that the checklist I sent needs to read as follows:
Enjoys soft beatings
Enjoys hard beatings
Oh my fucking god!
So in the future, I will include "Oh my fucking god" on the checklist as apparently that is the closest approximation of how heavy I play. -
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Re: What about aftercare?
Thu, May 15, 2008 - 5:24 PMLOL, mayhap I need to include that as well. :) Heh,,I can see it now..LOL
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Re: What about aftercare?
Mon, May 12, 2008 - 5:52 AMa perfect example of why AC should be discussed along with everything else before playing with someone new. making sure everyone is on the page seems a simple thing to do beforehand to make sure all goes well for everyone and we all get what we want (or don't want as the case may be)
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Re: What about aftercare?
Sun, June 15, 2008 - 3:41 PMWhen I was a slave aftercare was very important to me, but I found I never really got it how I needed it. Now I am a dominant and I have one sub who needs a little bit of aftercare after any scene, and another sub who needs aftercare after sceneing and after punishment and she doesnt just need a little she seems to need hours of it. They are very different, but I do find that as the dominant while I enjoy aftercae I don't feel I NEED it but I do eel like I eed to give it to them how they need it. So it is weird seeing it from both sides of the spectrum.
